Jonathan Barnett - WTC7 forensic engineer - REVISITED

wytkracka Says:

Oct 16, 2008 - No that's my entire point, they all had hollow cores, their existence, considering technology at the time, was dependent on the weight of the buildings being supported by the perimeter walls. Damage the perimeter and you damage the major load bearing structure and gravity does it's thing, kinda like the dambusting missions of WWII. They didn't use bombs big enough to blow up the dam, just big enough to damage it and let the weight of the dam and water do the work for you.

wytkracka Says:

Oct 16, 2008 - I call him a quack because he consistently ignores the fact that, again, a significant portion of the towers load bearing structures were destroyed by falling debris. The fire didn't need to melt the steel or burn any other supports, it only needed to weaken it enough to let gravity take over. For christ's sake this is how castles were sieged hundreds of years ago, does he think the laws of physics have changed since then?

Skeptic121 Says:

Oct 16, 2008 - We are certainly entitled to our own opinions but not entitled to our own facts. The WTC Towers had MASSIVE cores. The core columns were larger and stronger than the perimeter columns. Search google images for WTC Core and you will find many pictures of the towers under construction showing their sturdy cores. Search YouTube for: WTC + Horseshoe and see one of the massive core columns bent into a U without cracking or kinking, indicating it was heated way over jet fuel fire temperature.

wytkracka Says:

Oct 17, 2008 - That's because they had a MASSIVE elevator system, I didn't state that because I made it up, I stated that because that's how Yamasaki designed it. The cores only served to support secondary gravitly loads and prevent distortion of each floor at the center of the building, while the perimeter walls, called vierendeel trusses, supported most of the building's weight and all the lateral loading. Even if the gravity loads were shared 50/50 it was the outer walls that provided all resistance to.....

wytkracka Says:

Oct 17, 2008 - ...wind shearing. Have you ever been on the roof of even a moderately tall building in an inland city? These were at one time the tallest buildings on earth, and located on a bay, making for some of the strongest wind conditions, punch a hole in the part that resists the wind, weaken the rest that hold the weight of the upper, add some coastal winds and guess what?

wytkracka Says:

Oct 17, 2008 - It wouldn't have needed the wind either as the weight of the upper floors provided more than sufficient tonnage to overcome the intact walls. It's the same with the frat boy beer can crushing thing. Even if it's empty you'll knock yourself silly unless you press your thumb into the side. The jet fuel fire argument bandied about ignores the kiln condition of burning it inside a building. Test fires by NIST themselves produced temps in the range of 1100c. Steel's rigidity halves at 900c.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - Hey man, the flaw here in your approach is that you are ignoring that steel members were found, analysed, by FEMA foresnic engineers and reported to be evaporated at extremely high temperatures, NASA took thermal images showing extreme temps and there is a PBS doco from 2002 with site engineers complaining that the biggest problem with the clean-up was the molten steel and extreme temps. None of that is possible in open combustion fires. The best theory we have is Thermate.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - Skeptic, I even have seen 2006-2007 mainstream media presentations about the collapse claiming that the fires were so hot they melted the steel - I kid you not man. Their guest was Popular Mechanics. The host stated that the fires melted the steel and then the PM guest didn't correct him. It was all so obviously a propaganda plant. Look man, they murdered 3000 innocent people. I want justice. Those propagandists need to face Nuremberg like the Nazis did.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - wykracker are you deliberately lying? The towers were built to withstand 707 impact at 600mph. I wish I had collected the vids - I have seen three videos of former WTC engineers boasting about how the towers could withstand these impacts BEFORE 9/11 happened.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - OMG, wykracka you want to be VERY careful with your job now. We are tracking all IPs and hunting ALL you liars down. We are going to have trials for this mass murder. You think you are sitting cushion over there spewing your blatant lies? IT will be a hanging for you wykracka.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - Fucking wind shearing theory now is it? Look, for the last 4 years people like you claimed that WTC7 was brought down by a diesel fuel fire in the basement, and/or the damage caused to the south side by the falling twins.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - You claimed 25% of the WTC7 was cut out by damage on the south side. And then finally NIST release their report and disclaim all of that and pen some bullshit Thermal Expansion theory and they are now being sued by construction companies who all know it is a fucking hoax. Look man, who the fuck do you work for? Humanity?

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - The were designed to withstand 707 impacts at 600mph. End of fucking story you fucking wank knob.

wytkracka Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - OH! you're absolutely right! my bad, that's why they fell immediately on impact....wait, they didn't, hrrrmmmm, almost as if it were the ensuing fire combined with the structural damage that brought them down.

wytkracka Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - If you want to meet I'll send you an address down the street, great mojitoes. mojitos? mojito's? great (plural of mojito here)ooOOOOoooo and tapas, I love it the smoked gouda with fig syrup

wytkracka Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - My wind comment was more in relation to the main tower collapse. WTC7 was done in by the fires (it was fully involved, as downwind pictures show, not suffering minor fire damage as the upwind pix show) combined with the base of the south wall being destroyed. It didn't fall into it's footprint, either, it fell towards the damaged south wall, as evidenced by the post-collapse photos showing the north wall on top of the pile.

wytkracka Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - Where? Show me the link, and the metallurgy test proving it was at the very least ferrous metal, the best anyone's done so far is show pictures of random glowing blobs and claim they can tell by sight it's steel and not any of the millions of pounds of other metals used in the plumbing, wiring, furniture, air ducts, drywall supports......

wytkracka Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - again, they did withstand the impacts, but not the fire, it's like someone got shot in a non-vital area, but caught gangrene, and died. They survived the bullet wound itself but not the ensuing infection. Granted the infection wouldn't have occured had it not been for the bullet, but it wasn't the bullet that killed them.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - Don't you know about whistleblower Kevin Ryan who lost his job at UL who were contracted by NIST to test the steel under the fire conditions and found that the fires were not sufficient to cause the trusses to fail? Don't you realise that immediately there were experts on TV claiming the towers were hollow (no core) and that the fires melted the steel? Don't you realise that the NIST report was based around doctored and fraudulent results? Don't you pay attention?

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - havn't you read the WTC7 REPORT NIST just released? They admit that the fires were only very minor and moderate temperature. 100s of engineering firms are now suing NIST for their Thermal Expansion conclusion. They claim one column failed and brought the whole tower down like a controlled demolition.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - You can see in the footage that the ensuing fires had already died out. So they were cooler when the towers finally collapsed than 20 minutes earlier when they were raging more. Jet fuel burns just like petrol. Its a hydrocarbon open-air office fire - This doesn't cause steel structures to fail. How stupid are you? What the hell is a pot-belly stove? What is your steel cooking pot made of? Put it on the hottest gas flame and leave over night. Still there. Doesn't melt. The heat disapates.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - There was hardly any wind on 9/11. Keep plucking at straws mate. There are only half a dozen engineers who publicly support NIST's fraudulent reports on the collapses. There are over 500 architects and engineers at ae911truthDOTorg who publicly denounce NIST's report as fraudulent and all agree it had to be explosives planted that brought the towers down. But you keep hugging your NWO propaganda TeeVee mate. Go be a good slave now.

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - New York Times of November 29, 2001, regarding the collapse of WTC 7 on September 11, 2001:"A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear tohave been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr.Barnett said."] - Didn't you read the description on my video? Its right there in front of you. Also go find the PBS 2002 doco

Focoist911 Says:

Oct 18, 2008 - wytkracker, 400 firefighters didn't think the buildings were going to come down. They all died. Also D Martini, one of the senior engineers who built the towers died in the collapse. He had an office there and was running around trying to help people. These people put their life on knowing the buildings were safe. But you just keep up this ridiculous denialism man.

PeaceIsRad Says:

Nov 3, 2008 - For those people that can't see the big picture, you need to do some research on how the United States has been conducting business for the past 50 years. Find out why the middle east really hates us. Find out that war is nothing less than a business that beneifits those at the top. Look at our history of false flag operations.Google: PNACJust do your research and you'll see the government isn't for the people by the people anymore!POWER TO THE PEOPLE!