SA-15 Gauntlet / Tor 9K330 Missile System

lordkirn Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - "where does it say im american" err, when I click your name and go on your profile.. it says your country is the US.. so, american?

Raechowchow Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Redbaron14dude This is a forum discussing a specific missile system which was introduced into the Soviet service in the middle 80s. Why the hell you are here bringing this gorbach about WWII? You sound like a pissed off Nazi. If the Germans went to conquer Soviet Union without knowing their harsh winter climate they really should of stayed home and drink beer dumb ass. They made a huge strategic blunder and in the end they paid for it. But whose problem is that? Ours?

Raechowchow Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Redbaron14dude And in the end it was a red flag flying of the Reichstag building in Berlin in May of 45 and not anyone elses. That tells you whos up for a real fight and whos good at it. I have been in the professional military for 3 years, served my country. Let me ask you, what have you done for yours? Do us all a favor please go back and read some GOOD books about WW II and then come back with your laim comments on WW II forum, you idiot.

adrrian92 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - 1:03 - motherfucking cool .

Redbaron14dude Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - it doesnt say im born there

Redbaron14dude Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - yea i dont bring WWII up i look at a video then see someone saying something and ive read many WWII books that were good

Raechowchow Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Redbaron14dude Really? If you read any GOOD ones you might just notice that the Allied Coalition including Soviet Union, Great Britain, and United States all together have brought the Nazis to its end. But as far as the absolute sucrifice goes it was the Soviet Union that paid the most horrible price-27 million dead, half of country destroyed, tortured, and burned down by the Nazis. Let me ask you, how many people did US loose? I KNOW, in the neigborhood of 460K. So next time think, ok?

Raechowchow Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - If you cant get history right then try to wrestle some raw numbers dude, I know it is tough for some people. Saying that Russians sucked in WWII is the same thing as saying we didnt sucrifice enough people to save your countrys ass so that it could become a great place and prosper again. Thats while we still had to bury our dead and try to rebuild what is left from the ashes. Use some brain man, if we havent done that who would? US? Britain? Right, they all about that and self sucrifice too.

KhanStodge Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - we all saw what the russian sams did to american planes in vietnam. 8 of 10 jets did not returnt. Nuff said.

Highstar25 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Hot damn! scary how those missiles move, they're like fish

calvinisgold Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - what language

canadianblargh Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - russian

MouseON Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - and americans are creating anti missile defence system ;] russians had them for how long? =DRaechowchow very good point ;] at the end red flag was flying of the reichstag building in berlin, not us.anyway americans should shut up repeating "you'd speak german if not us", f you, u.s would speak german if not soviets.

bitrex Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Your figures are way off. The US suffered 0.4 losses per 1000 sorties - hardly 8 out of 10. The exact details of nearly every US aircraft loss in the Vietnam conflict are easily available on the Internet, from both the USAF and international sources, and widely agreed upon. No air force in the history of air combat has ever suffered anywhere near an 80% loss rate. Why do you make up obviously false statistics?

bitrex Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - The US deployed an anti-ballistic missile system comparable to the Soviet Galosh/Gazelle system ringing Moscow in the same period during the early 1970s - it was decommissioned after the US entered the ABM treaty with the Soviet Union. Though up to 2 ABM sites were allowed under the provisions of the treaty, US military strategists came to the conclusion that ABM systems in general were destabilizing to nuclear

bitrex Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Hit the wrong button, oops. Anyhow, strategists came to the belief that ABM systems were destabilizing to nuclear "game theory" and increased the chance of a spiraling arms race. My point is that the reason the US has not had an ABM system for 30 odd years was entirely political and strategic; not due to any technological inability. I assume that the former Soviet Union chose to build only one ABM site for similar reasons.

Raechowchow Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - bitrex thats why I just dont get their plans to put US missiles in Poland and Chech. I mean as a former navy guy I understand if US wants to start intimidating Russia again, but whos gonna win there? So in respond Russia put their missiles and bombers in Cuba..Sounds like no one learns from the past. It makes you wonder if people that make such decisions are sane sometime or should spend some time in the military just to understand the implications of it.

Afgayn Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Very Good Machine Long Live Russia

jamessmedley82 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Really? What about the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, when the IAF destroyed nearly the entire Egyptian Air Force jets even before they got the chance to get airborne,and inflicted similar casualties to the Syrian Air Force. You CAN achieve an 80% attrition rate when you have such asymmetry.

arikat1 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - 3:30 good action!

polygamous1 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - i have seen on you tube about us losses in vietnam n all expertx agree that what the Russians said years ago is turned out to be very accurate us loses over 2500 fighter planes n 1000 choppers on SOME sorties over N Vietnam atone time they were lossing well over half their planes sometimes up to 80% yes they they modified their aircraft defenceses n the SAMs became ineffective till the Russians upgraded their missiles n had a much better kill ration but they never acchived that ratio again

polygamous1 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - i believe Russia WILL destroy the missiles in Poland they gave NO choice is that or they be enslaved by the us unless they are prepaired to accept that n i really don't think so why wait till they are surrounded n be destroyed? might as well start bush's armagedon while they have a much better chance God forbid Russia goes so does the rest of humanity to the NWO americans too

americaneagle1967 Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - fuck Russia and that crap they call a military

A5runner Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - 3:22 is awesome!!

ParamiliterWild Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - fuck USA and that crap they call a military , Du Hurensohn ,fack deine fette Ami mama))